Seibo Shen is the CEO behind two of the most innovative, design-driven technology companies in the cannabis industry. His first foray into weed in 2010 saw the creation of the hugely popular and multi-award-winning VapeXhale Cloud EVO desktop vaporizer. His latest hardware venture, Hanu Labs, has created another stunning example of form and function for vaping enthusiasts and cannabis aficionados — the Hanu Stone.
Cannabis Aficionado spoke to Shen about his relationship with cannabis, his belief in the role it can play in health and achieving the flow state as well as the long-term impact “Vape Gate” will have on the extracts industry.
Cannabis Aficionado: Tell us about your relationship with cannabis and how it helps you?
Seibo Shen: I grew up in an Asian household, where intellectual horsepower was almost idolized. I have roughly 90 cousins and of those 90 cousins, at least 60% of them are either doctors or lawyers. Only three don’t have advanced degrees — and I happen to be one of them. So, I was always focused on being the smartest person that I can be. Ultimately, this resulted in an adult who was not in touch with his feelings. I was very good at expressing anger, but sadness or negative feelings, I would always push aside.
Cannabis enabled me to really open up and gave me the ability to process feelings, to empathize versus just sympathize, to get in touch with my feelings. It helped me recognize the importance of listening to my body when it would tell me things like, ‘Hey, Seibo, you’re tired right now — you should rest.’ But my brain would always override that go and say, ‘You’re an entrepreneur, all the other entrepreneurs are working past midnight’ and I would just stay up and the quality of my work would suffer. IQ can only get you so far. Cannabis opened me up to a wider variance of emotions.
Once I started trusting what my body was telling me, I was no longer using a lot of mental horsepower asking myself questions like, ‘Am I a CEO because I’m just a motivated person, or am I a CEO because I want daddy’s approval?’ Things like that were always going through my mind. I was able to focus on the things that I want to do, like being a dad, being an entrepreneur, being a husband, without the distractions of all those other things. I think that’s why I’ve been successful in those areas.
That’s an amazing nod to cannabis’ power.
Totally. That’s why I’m so bought into cannabis. You know why? When I talk to my daughter about cannabis, I’m not trying to overblow it or demonize it. I just try to tell her the facts of how it’s helped me, how it’s helped our family, and let her make her own decisions.
My relationship with cannabis has evolved throughout the years. Now I use cannabis in a 100% positive way. But there were times when I would use cannabis to numb the pain. I smoked all the time and would use the excuse that no one’s ever died from cannabis. But, yes, there were times I was using it to avoid pain. But there were times when I would use cannabis to enhance whatever I was doing. Being able to delineate the two is very, very important. I would rather use it to enhance all the other things that I like because feeling the pain teaches you things. If something is painful, then it’s probably something you don’t like to do, right? So, listen to your body and feel that pain as opposed to just smoking some weed and trying to make it go away. Utilize your feelings to start figuring things out. Ask yourself questions like, ‘what am I doing that make me feel this way?’ Hopefully, you’ll get some clarity out of it.
In your opinion, what’s the most important thing that needs to be addressed when talking about cannabis and cannabis products?
It’s proper usage. I am a huge proponent of cannabis and use it to enhance a lot of my daily activities, but I think younger users can abuse the fact that cannabis isn’t physically lethal so they consume more than typically needed. I know a lot of highly functional entrepreneurs that ‘wake-and-bake’ but for every one of those types, I know at least 10 who do the bare minimum to keep their jobs and consider themselves to be ‘successful.’ Ultimately, just make sure that the cannabis is servicing you and not the other way around.
We like to promote CCU (conscious cannabis use) which means that before you consume cannabis, think of the intent and/or outcome of why you are using it. In my experience, for those that are constant users, many times they say they consume cannabis when they are bored and I don’t believe that to be an effective use case of cannabis if that is done consistently.
The Hanu Stone has a unique, almost organic look. Can you share the design thinking behind it?
There are a few reasons why we decided to design the Hanu Stone this way. The first thing is, I look at the cannabis market as one of health and wellness. Vape pens borrow their look from e-cigarettes which took their form factor from cigarettes. I felt it was a disservice to the industry if we continue to make devices that were long and skinny and reminded people of something that was detrimental to their health, versus something that would give them therapeutic benefit and utility.
Second, when our designer would get nervous or anxious, he would always rub his worry stone which he wears as a necklace. When I became aware of that concept — and because you can’t always vape indoors — I thought it was a great form factor for those that needed to reduce anxiety but couldn’t inhale from the device.
Lastly, my wife and I had hot stone massages and before our session, the massage therapist told me to close my eyes, hold the stone in my hand, and say a prayer of gratitude. At first, I thought it might be a little hokey but I did it anyway and I was overcome by this feeling of relaxation and joy.
As an extract manufacturer, has the recent vape crisis had an impact on your business?
At first, it was obviously a downer for a lot of people in the industry. For manufacturers like us, who pride ourselves on our material selection, the vetting process of our partners and the quality of their oil, we actually became quite excited. That’s because most of the dispensaries are now saying that their customers have a higher appetite for safer products.
To buy products they know are up to standard, to buy from companies they can trust.
Right. By doing things correctly from the get-go, we’re actually the beneficiaries of this crisis. Our product is premium price — our hardware is roughly two and a half times the cost of other hardware on the market. At first, we were thinking, ‘Man, this might price us out of the market.’ But a lot of our partners believed in the efficacy — the user experience as well as the quality of materials that we selected. We had a long-term strategy and we’ve also begun seeing the benefits in the short term.
So, ‘Vape Gate’ is turning into a beneficial thing for you?
Yeah, I mean, our business is still down. But the dispensaries have told us that people are now really asking about what’s being put in the oil, asking how the hardware is manufactured — these are questions they’ve never asked before. While we haven’t gone back to our previous sales figures that we had prior to vape gate, we’re now getting to the point where we’re seeing an upturn again, and not continually going down — which it was for the last few weeks.
There are likely many vape manufacturers that fell away fairly quickly as a result of this. The tried-and-true companies that know what they’re doing and make quality products are going to be able to stand.
Exactly. You hit the nail on the head. All the bad actors were quickly identified. A lot of the manufacturers that were either creating the diluents or the thickeners have also closed up shop. Now, we’re having a conversation where questions are being asked that were never on people’s radars. Consumers just thought a vape pen is a vape pen is a vape pen. But anyone that’s used facial tissue or toilet paper knows that high-quality toilet paper or facial tissue, like Kleenex, feels a lot different than the single-ply stuff.
Do you see that as being the main conversation you’re going to have with your audience?
We’re spending roughly 95% of our time talking about safety. Previous to that, we were also talking about all the useful ways that you could utilize cannabis to enhance your life. We don’t really want to step away from that, because there are a lot of positive benefits from consuming cannabis before hiking, or before meditating or, like myself, before jujitsu. We would love to keep kind of pushing the education in that area, not just in the safety area. Even if you’re not a patient, or sick and need to utilize cannabis for medicinal reasons, there are some really positive ways that you could use cannabis to enhance all the various activities in your life.
For us, what we’re kind of coming to the conclusion of is, cannabis is a great way to get into flow state. Whenever you’re in flow state, I believe you’re the best version of yourself for that particular activity. Whether it’s jujitsu, stand-up comedy, or even talking on a panel, once you’re fully focused in and engaged in what you’re doing, I think the best expression of yourself comes out. I believe cannabis really helps people get into flow state and helps people be the best version of themselves.
What are you doing to change the stigma around cannabis?
I have been actively trying to change the stigma of cannabis in two main areas; parenting and athletics. My daughters are four and nine and the way the country looks at cannabis has dramatically shifted since my eldest daughter was born. I created a group called CannaDads to help educate parents about the pros and cons of cannabis. It also gives them a safe space to figure out what is the best way to speak to our children about cannabis, as it was only for medical patients up until 2016 in California. The group is open to mothers as well but there are groups like CannaMom and CannaParents and I really wanted to create a space for fathers who were very involved with their kids and to meet like-minded fathers doing the same.
I also run another group called CannAthlete which is specifically to help and educate athletes who are on prescription medications like opioids and switch them to cannabinoids. In addition to helping them with recovery, we also discovered that it can aid in certain training situations.
Lastly, by designing devices like the Hanu Stone, I believe that we are shifting the paradigm in the way people look at and perceive cannabis consumption devices. Whether it’s the high-end industrial design or the extraordinary utilitarian functionality of the pods, we wanted to create something that not only looked great, but the performance of the device matched its appearance.
What’s next for you?
I want to continue designing and innovating new, exciting consumption methodologies for cannabis. We have made significant improvements since the first vaporizers were introduced in the early Nineties and I think we are about to see some more breakthroughs when it comes to heating elements and/or delivery methods. The more people we can help, the better.
Ricky Williams: His Journey from Pro Footballer to Pro Healer
Cannabis Aficionado spoke exclusively to Ricky Williams about his Real Wellness range, being a healer and his role as a cannabis advocate.
Since leaving the NFL, Ricky Williams has studied herbalism and alternative holistic therapies. Williams was suspended multiple times during his NFL career for his cannabis use but has spoken repeatedly about the benefits and effects of the plant.
Former running back Williams, who won a Heisman Trophy at Texas before spending more than a decade in the NFL with the Miami Dolphins and New Orleans Saints, has founded Real Wellness by Ricky Williams; a new line of cannabis-based products that also feature herbal extracts like lavender and turmeric.
We spoke to Williams about Real Wellness, his role as a cannabis advocate, and his new path as a healer.
Cannabis Aficionado: You’ve gone from being ostracized for your cannabis use, to being applauded for your advocacy. Now, you’ve redefined yourself again by helping shape the industry. How does it feel to be in the situation you are now compared to five years?
Ricky Williams: It’s definitely more stressful. I think to put your name and your passion behind something, especially something as controversial as cannabis, is risky. But it’s rewarding, you know? I feel like what I’m doing is meaningful and is changing people’s lives for the better. It’s a really good feeling. I find my purpose more in the healing work that I do.
My vision for cannabis is way beyond where I am right now. I’ve just realized that the steps I’m taking now feel like what’s required to get to where I’d like to get to in my advocacy. But it’s that tension between where we’re headed and where we are and I think that’s why we need people to advocate to help us move in that direction.
One of the most important things I’ve done in my advocacy is being honest about my experiences. As more people come out and be honest the stigma will naturally start to erode. The fact that people kept their cannabis consumption a secret, I know people that give me a hard time in the media that are consumers themselves.
I did a paper in school a couple of years ago about the effect of cannabis use on the relationship between parents and adolescents and it was mindblowing how many parents and kid relationships are torn apart because of the stigma [around cannabis].
The first time I spoke publically, I was shocked by how many people came up to me afterward and told me how touched they were not only by my words but my story, and how it gave them the courage to be honest about their journey and not be ashamed, and advocate for their rights to feel better.
It just shows you that anything is possible. If you believe in yourself and stick with it. Things are always changing.
Since leaving the NFL, you’ve become a certified holistic healer. Have you always been interested in alternative therapies?
I started by becoming a licensed massage therapist and other healing work I did while I was still playing football. I’ve just had more time and energy to devote to it now. It’s become pretty much the sole focus of what I’m doing — I’m still studying Chinese Medicine!
Playing football, being in a lot of pain and having injuries… I tried pretty much everything and certain things worked and I stuck with them, became curious and it took me down a path where I started to become a practitioner. Because I realized football is tough! So, you know for me, anything that can help me with this can have some use for a lot of other people as well.
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What made you start your own line of cannabis products? Was it for healing and what you were doing with the herbs?
Yeah, that’s exactly what it was. I retired for the first time in 2004 and started traveling and that’s when I found Ayurveda. I went back to the states and I started studying Ayurveda in school. It was in California where medicinal marijuana was legal at a state level. And so I got my prescription recommendation and at the same time I was learning about Ayurvedic herbs and it just clicked. I started playing around in my kitchen putting together herbal formulas and combining cannabis. That was almost 15 years ago.
When I returned to play football in the NFL for another five or six years, instead of going to doctors when I got banged up I would go to my acupuncturist, I’d go to my herbal product store. You know, I’d just take care of myself. So, when I started thinking about doing something in a cannabis space, I looked around and realized people are talking about medicinal marijuana but you’d go to a dispensary and it’s just THC and CBD and there are no herbs in there. When they are combined, their synergistic effects they can be more powerful and more specific. I realized there’s a void in the market for truly medicinal herbal supplements with cannabis. So, let’s see if we can fill this void and that’s how we started.
Why do you there think there was a gap?
I think there was a big gap because of the stigma around cannabis, you know? Most people stay away from it because of the legal implications. With my background and the resources that I have access to, I was in a unique position to be able to start this conversation and start to bring products to the market that can serve as alternatives to the pharmaceuticals.
I started [playing football] early, in high school taking pain pills so I would be good to play sports. And by 18 years I had my first ulcer from taking too many pain pills. When I got into the NFL I had further difficulties taking pharmaceuticals. And so I started looking to find alternative ways to take care of myself that would serve me in the long run. And you know, in that same vein I found yoga, tai chi, and herbal medicine. I found a lot of different ways to take care of myself in ways that were kinder and gentler on my body.
You were able to turn your experience into a product that is able to help so many people.
And we’re working on it, you know. In my mind, I’ve really been benefitted by Chinese herbalism, you know? The Chinese have formulas for pretty much everything. And so in my mind, I have all these ideas of things I want to create. And on the other side of it, I’m working with my wife who handles the business side of it. That’s the other side of it and so, working together to find a way, especially with all the regulations in different states and finding other partners that match our philosophy and have the same commitment to quality and finding ways to get people interested in this.
There’s still a big stigma, you know? I mean people are more open now to CBD but my bigger mission is to point out to people that true healing doesn’t occur from taking a substance like a pharmaceutical. It comes from a changing consciousness a change in the way you see things and the way you handle your life. And one of the things about THC in altered states is that consciously, it has the ability to change our lives on a deeper level. And when you mix that with the herbs and the chemicals that work with our body, it becomes a powerful medicine that has lasting change and lasting healing.
That’s been my personal experience. The person I was before I retired from football for the first time and went on this healing journey was very different from who I am today. I look at all the change I’ve been through, the healing and growth and it’s really been quite remarkable.
I feel really good about my journey and I feel like I’m onto something and if I can find a way to share this message and get it out to the world, I can offer that same kind of healing and change and happiness for a larger group of people.
Being able to offer something that can offer relief to people that are suffering and using your power for good.
Yeah, like when I was a kid and I thought about wanting to be a football player it wasn’t so much about the fame for me it was about realizing that it would give me a platform. And as a kid, I didn’t know what I would use that platform for but I’ve always had a gentle heart. Always had a lot of compassion for people, and in my own life, I’ve suffered a lot. And learning about herbs, you know… simple things that tortured me as a kid. I realized there are simple remedies available that I just didn’t have access to. So, if I can stop people from suffering as much as… as I did. You can use that energy for more growth instead of having to recover or suffer.
If you remove the bad stuff you’re left with a focus for the good things.
Yeah, and even the good things are still challenging but at least the challenge puts your further on your path and you’re not just going back to feeling decent, you know? The first part of my life, I spent my energy just trying to feel ok. Since I’ve learned and grown, I use my energy to feel better. I feel like my cup is running over, and I feel like I have excess resources, excess time, excess energy to be able to share with other people.
I feel like I’ve been fortunate to have a lot of personal success at a young age and so I kinda checked that off my list and I truly only get happiness or benefit from sharing what I know and sharing what I’ve learned and also being touched by people who’ve been willing to share things about themselves and about their journey.
How have the Real Wellness products been received?
They’ve been received really well. We have a topical that people seem to really love. We think our most interesting product, we call it the Optimized Tonic and it’s an herbal formula I got from one of my herbalist teachers. My herbalist has a story with it and says the monks who practice martial arts, the Daoist monks, they studied herbs and acupuncture and so they started creating formulas for their training processes. So, Optimized Tonic is an herbal formula that is used to increase flexibility.
What I love about it is the Daoist and the Chinese didn’t separate the body from the mind. They realized herbs that improved flexibility in the body also improved the flexibility of the mind. So this formula is really great for anyone who feels stuck, whether it’s physically stuck like arthritis or stiff joints or whether they feel emotionally stuck, you know it’s the herbs really get the energy moving and the CBD helps the body hold on to and return to homeostasis. Its really powerful medicine and people are having really positive effects.
I think what’s been the most pleasantly surprising experience is what I see reflected in other people. The first time I took an herb to help myself, I’d broke my arm while playing football. they gave me morphine after surgery to repair my arm and it made me kind of sick. My neighbor told me about arnica. I took a little bit, not that much, and I literally was pain-free a few days after surgery. It dawned on me how powerful herbs can be. As CBD becomes more popular and people who have experiences with herbs are having the same realization, and people who have used our products are surprised how effective herbs can be in making them feel better.
Any plans to extend the product line?
It’s something we talk about on a daily basis. In the US right now, we have a big opioid epidemic so first on our priority list is creating pain capsules that will give people an alternative to opioids. Also, I was at an event in Toronto a couple of years ago and I met these women, sisters who were suffering from eczema. They had tried everything and I made a promise to them that we would come up with a topical that would help [with their eczema], so that’s something else on my list. another thing people are really struggling with is sleep, and the Chinese have some amazing formulas that will calm their mushin and calm their mind and help them get to sleep.
We’re also currently in talks with different manufacturing partners in different states to have our THC products available in other states.
You’ve probably sampled everything that cannabis has to offer. What’s your preferred method of consumption?
I’m old fashioned, I still like to inhale, I like to smoke. There’s something about the raw herb that feels very natural and deep.
When it comes to the NFL’s current stance on cannabis, do you see it changing anytime soon?
The NFL gets a hard time but they test players once a year in the offseason and players are free to do what they want as long as they pass that test, they’re pretty lax.
It would be nice if they were more advocating for player wellness but at least they don’t give players too hard of a time.
Have any current or past NFL players reached out to you for advice on cannabis or using your products?
I’ve had a player reach out and ask about his mother who was looking for an alternative to alcohol for relaxing and her anxiety, so we sent her a care package and she says it’s going well.
To access THC, although there are delivery services, most people have to visit a dispensary, which people can be uncomfortable with. So we’re trying to find creative ways to make the whole experience less intimidating.
As a health advocate, how would you convince the average person to accept and try your products and cannabis-based medicine?
I think about this a lot. I go straight for the mind-altering effects and I say we have a vape cartridge called Serenity. it’s 3:1 CBD/THD and infused with six other herbs that are known for working in partnership with the nervous system. I would say think about an issue in your life that’s been causing you issues. Take a puff of Serenity and sit there and allow yourself to start brainstorming about possible solutions. It’s cliche but its true; when you can relax and let go of preconceived issues you can find creative ways to look at things and deal with them.
So you want your products to give people hope?
Yeah, hope is extremely important and sometimes just a ray of hope is enough, it supports our perseverance.
Real Wellness from Ricky Williams is available in dispensaries across California. The CBD only products are available online.
Brands and Buds: Matt Morgan and His Cannabis Empire
Matt Morgan, a sixth generation Montanan farmer, exclusively tells Cannabis Aficionado how he grew one of the cannabis industry’s most successful companies.
In a week I’ve become something of an expert in all things Matt Morgan. He’s a fascinating read and is achieving rock star status as one of the first cannabusiness celebrities in the short time that weed’s gone legal.
If you’re one of his 777k followers (at press time) on Instagram you know that Morgan lives something of a fantasy lifestyle, photos of beautiful grow rooms with mountains of colas and bags of buds piled sky high—and even though he makes his cannabis business lifestyle look easy, you better believe it’s not. His hard work and tremendous drive are beginning to pay dividends, but only after years of growing his personal empire.
Matt Morgan is a builder of cannabis companies and they’re more than just uber successful. They’re powerful, game-changing, and visionary. In little more than a decade of hard and determined work, Morgan has carved out a comfortable niche.
For Morgan, a sixth-generation farmer from Montana, leaving the family’s fields of alfalfa and wheat to pursue cannabis meant more than breaking with tradition, but changing his parent’s perception that stoners were stupid, lazy, and wouldn’t amount to anything.
“My family was very anti-cannabis, actually. They would much rather have me drink alcohol growing up versus smoking cannabis. They had all the propaganda shoveled in their mouth for so many years about how cannabis was basically the devil, right? The last thing my family wanted me to do was to be involved in that sector — from a personal consumption standpoint as well as a business standpoint,” says Morgan.
“I’m still carrying the torch as far as farming goes, but its just in a completely different way. I’m a much bigger fan of the cannabis plant versus alfalfa!”
Despite Morgan’s family attitude, he wouldn’t change a thing about his childhood explaining how growing up in Montana “just gives you a certain set of core values” that have shaped and guided him in his pursuit of success in the States and beyond.
“I think people pick up on it very quickly when you have small-town roots,” says Morgan. “You shake peoples hands, and when you shake people’s hands, that’s your word. You follow through on everything that you say you’re going to follow through on.” He adds emphatically, “Honesty and integrity, all those things are instilled in you growing up in a place like Montana. People automatically trust you more or less based upon how you act, how you’re raised, and I think that goes a long way in business.”
Morgan’s moral code would soon pay off as he got his first taste of success selling real estate in his early twenties. What followed in 2008 is probably Morgan’s biggest game changer as the financial collapse left him to do some serious soul-searching.
That need to land on his feet and find the next big business opportunity led Morgan to settle on cultivating cannabis after months of online research. After getting his Montana medical marijuana card, Morgan blindly started growing; — expecting his first crop of six plants would produce High Times-worthy buds.
“In my head, I was like, ‘Man, if a bunch of hippies can grow up plants from seeds and grow some good buds, there’s no chance I’m not going to pull this off.’ But of course, my first couple attempts were epic failures,” Morgan laughs.
“I had no idea what I was doing. You name a branch, I hit it on the way down.”
Lucky for Morgan, he’s a fast learner and recovered quickly from his mistakes. Over a ten-month period, he scaled his grow operation to one of the largest in the state. Everything was going well for Morgan in Montana’s medical program where a caregiver could grow up to six plants per patient, with no cap or limit on size. Morgan’s hometown of Missoula was booming with more than 60 dispensaries in a town of 60,000-plus people.
“The ratio was ridiculous and Montana doesn’t really like change all that much,” says Morgan. “Once they saw all these dispensaries popping up and everybody growing cannabis, legislation came in and put a halt to everything. They limited each share grower to three patients and that’s when I started looking at other opportunities to scale the way I wanted to scale.”
In 2010, Arizona was crafting some of the most favorable cannabis laws for building a large-scale operation with unlimited plants, weight, and growth — and if he could secure one of the licenses from the state — it had everything Matt Morgan was looking for and more.
Moving to a new state where you don’t know anyone could seem daunting and intimidating, but not for Morgan who immersed himself by building a brand of hydro stores that would soon service the states large grows. With three Ugrow hydro stores under Morgan’s leadership and making steady gains, Morgan knew the key to scoring one of the 121 state licenses would be seeking out the who’s who of Arizona’s cannabis culture.
“Since I really didn’t know anybody the hydro stores gave me a chance to really get involved. I’d meet and greet with everyone in the space, which was very helpful early on.”
And his strategy worked. Knowing that the licenses would be highly competitive, Morgan’s intrepid networking led him to an influential senator’s son and indeed, they won a license in the first round of applications, quickly acquiring their second within a few months of being in business and Bloom dispensaries was born.
In as little as ten months that Morgan and his partner had grown Bloom dispensaries, they were now employing 120 personnel and earning revenues in excess of a million dollars a month. It’s here that I learn that Morgan has as huge a heart as he does a mind for business. As a difference in Morgan’s life is created, or as he experiences a certain level of success, he makes sure that the wealth is spread around.
“You’re literally seeing people, hiring them, and they’re driving to work in a car that barely runs and then six months later because of this job they’re driving a new car. Things like that are just so fulfilling in general. Helping and seeing all these people that you’re making their dreams become reality. The larger you can scale, the more people you can help,” says Morgan.
Morgan recalls how his mentors, most of whom were CFOs, CEOs of Fortune 500 companies and Fortune 100 companies gave him the “playbook on how to be a monster in the business space” because they understood the business from A to Z. Without them, he says, it would “take me forever to figure out how to recreate the wheel. They really turbocharged everything for me.”
To create Morgan’s own personal game-day book of business moves, he relates taking a lot of pages from other industries playbooks and “globbing them into a hot soupy mess” and navigating his way through to make sure he avoids all the common pitfalls or as many as he can.
Morgan quickly expanded the business to include more properties and turning over a million dollars a month in sales. It wasn’t long until his success attracted the eye of an investor who within hours of meeting Morgan wanted him to immediately fly on the company jet to meet his boss in south Florida. It didn’t take long for Morgan to meet and get a feel for the family company and know that he’d be a better fit working for them — but that was only after a “grueling six-hour interview process where they hammered me with questions and it felt like an interrogation,” says Morgan.
“In their defense, they should be asking as many questions as they want. The family office put up an absurd amount of money to build out the cannabis company and gave me a huge injection of capital to scale to sizeable proportions.”
But things didn’t go as smoothly as expected for Morgan when Bloom’s investors couldn’t come to terms with the family office. In the end, the family office would make an offer to start a new company leaving Morgan to walk away and completely divest himself from Bloom. In March of 2014, Tryke and Reef dispensaries were born.
To get started, Morgan created his temporary corporate headquarters in Tempe, Arizona, hired his executive team, and after receiving a license in the state he quickly set up three dispensaries in the somewhat remote Queen Creek. Morgan knew he had to attract the younger generation of trendsetters, the 21 to 30-year-old segment who he describes as the “cool kids who want to a part of this movement.” So he made it the “cool place to be” and brought in Wiz Khalifa, Berner of Cookie’s fame, and the Jungle Boys. Soon enough Reef dispensaries had 500 people a day driving 30-60 minutes out to the sticks because Reed wasn’t just a dispensary, it was a destination.
With a proven track record in Arizona, Morgan broke into Nevada and was awarded all of the eight applications submitted. “We won the most licenses in the state of Nevada, built our flagship store next to the Strip, built the 24/7-hour dispensary in North Vegas, popped up two more dispensaries in the Reno area and popped up one more flagship in Arizona with a large cultivation.”
Preparing for Nevada’s first day of legalization on July 1st, 207, found Morgan buying as much weed as humanly possible. “I was gobbling up product left and right in preparation because I knew that consumption would be a five to seven multiplier on what it currently was — and no one believed me,” Morgan says incredulously. “They thought we’d be lucky if we got a two multiplier, but all I could think was ‘You guys are nuts!’ and I was actually right. I ended up stocking several thousand pounds of cannabis in anticipation for rec sales.”
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To say the first day of Nevada’s legalization was a pivotal moment for Morgan would be as big an understatement as saying the Apple iPhone didn’t change the course of telecommunications. Standing on top of a building the size of two and a half football fields at 11:30 pm the evening that Nevada went rec, Morgan was scratching his head wondering just how he got there, “There were all these news outlets trying to interview me and so many cameras in my face. Looking around I wondered ‘how in the hell did I get 1200 people to stand in a line at midnight to buy weed?’” says Morgan.
“This massive line wrapped all the way around the building. This was a wow moment.”
Everything that Morgan had worked for over the past two and a half years in Nevada was culminating in that very moment. The fruit of all his labor was paying off and as he watched the fireworks go off at the stroke of midnight, Morgan knew that what he had accomplished was next level.
By the time that Morgan was exiting Reef, the company that he had built was running at over $100 million revenue run rate on an annual basis. It was common while he was there to hear comments about the strength of the culture instilled within the company — which Morgan equates back to his chief human resource officer’s core values and company culture.
“When I left Reef, we had 430 employees and every single one of them had a very similar culture and core values,” said Morgan. “You’d have a contractor, for example, come in and you’d ask someone for a broom and four people would be running as fast as they could to get a broom. I think that’s partly because they saw the CEO taking out his own trash, or I’d be picking up garbage all the time in the parking lot. I just don’t care. I’m not above any job, you know what I mean.”
No matter what size of the job, or even what job needs to be done — Morgan is not afraid to roll up his sleeves, dig in, and get dirty. That must’ve been what led Dan Bilzerian to come calling on Morgan. “Bilzerian’s been a good buddy for a long time and he approached me to help him build out a cannabis brand, be a brand ambassador and one of his advisors. We recently launched his new brand Ignite, and I’ve been intimately involved with helping him get that started as well,” says Morgan.
“Business is like a full-contact sport,” says Morgan. When it comes to big money, all bets are off, and it brings me back to survival of the fittest. You’ve got to do whatever it takes to be successful… and always go to bed being the hardest working guy that day.”
Jason Pinsky: Decoding the Pinsky Triangle
Jason Pinsky, the chief cannabis evangelist at Eaze and cannabis producer for Viceland’s “Bong Appétit,” explain the mysticism of the Pinsky Triangle.
Originally published on Cannabis Now.
From the cosmic aspirations of ancient pyramids to the light-bending power of a simple prism, the triangle has served as both a sacred symbol and a source of engineering sturdiness throughout human history.
For Jason Pinsky, the man who currently serves as chief cannabis evangelist at Eaze and cannabis producer for Viceland’s “Bong Appétit,” the triangle he has constructed is both structural and symbolic, representing his personal and professional ethos.
I had the opportunity to speak at length with Pinsky about his unique path to the top of the emerging cannabis industry — and it all started with a delayed flight.
After three days of MJBizCon, where I networked furiously, partied excessively and slept only briefly, I found myself in the bustling lobby bar of the Cosmopolitan, nursing a neat double scotch and puffing voraciously on some promo vape pen.
It was already nearing midnight, but my flight wouldn’t leave for another couple hours due to delays from high desert winds howling just outside the hermetically sealed walls of the Cosmo. That’s when I got a surprise text informing me Pinsky was available for an interview upstairs.
Pinsky opened his hotel suite door and welcomed me in with a grand sweeping gesture of his hand. He cut a bohemian figure in a black sweater, a flowing white scarf adorned with colorful plaid strips and his signature “Pinsky shades” — thick, black, rectangular frames with lazy rounded corners and over-sized, tinted lenses that sprawl almost to the bottom of his nose; if you’ve seen the final shot of Martin Scorsese’s “Casino,” you’ve seen Robert De Niro wearing the prescription version, a fact Pinksy points out.
“Same frames as De Niro, but my custom tints and prescription,” he says. “They were also worn by Darryl Mac from Run DMC and also Lou Wasserman, who started a small company called Universal.”
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Pinsky’s suite bar is decorated with various vape pens and cartridges, as well as a few jars of top-shelf cannabis, which we roll and smoke during our interview. He’s squeezing the conversation in right before he ascends into the night sky on a helicopter. This seems absolutely suicidal given the aggressive winds, but if he’s nervous it doesn’t show.
As we talk about his career and his future projects, Pinsky radiates self-assured chill through near-ceaseless technical complexity. Emerging from nearly everything we discuss is the unifying concept of the Pinsky Triangle.
“You’ll hear me use the term ‘The Pinsky Triangle,’ which started as the culmination of three points in my life. One point was my career, it was technology and was how I made my living — that was at the apex of the triangle, with music and weed forming the other points,” Pinsky says. “The music culture for me was the Grateful Dead, man. And through that I started meeting people that grew weed; there were legendary strains that came from that whole scene.”
His tech career started early, as he and his brother wrote software for their father’s leather belt manufacturing business. By 1994, they were running a company that handled tech solutions for the fashion industry.
“So by day, I crushed it in the software business and by night and I went and saw a few friends — you had to be a friend to get my weed because I wasn’t trying to sell weed. I was trying to just get enough weed to pay for my weed and hook up my friends,” says Pinsky. “My crew brought Chem Dawg into existence in ’91, Sour Diesel in ’95.”
For years, cannabis remained a lesser priority for Pinsky, with music and technology driving most of his professional momentum during this part of his career, as he served as chief technology officer for multiple tech and music firms. But Pinsky says he grew disillusioned and bored with the tech industry by the early ’00s.
“In 2010, the tech industry was not what it was years earlier and I kind of lost the passion for it,” he says. “When weed became legal in Colorado and Washington in 2012, that was when I decided I needed to rotate the Pinsky Triangle and put weed on top.”
Part of this decision stemmed from a serious spine injury in late 2000, when Pinsky was prescribed Oxycontin. For the next 13 years, he says he was trapped in what he called a “prison” of opioid dependency. Cannabis would prove to be a crucial tool in his escape.
His early interest and aptitude with concentrates led to judging them in every High Times Cannabis Cup held in 2014 — he says he earned a reputation as the “Simon Cowell” of concentrates — but the opportunity also served his recovery.
“Judging every cup while I was tapering off the pain meds gave me access to medication, which was important,” he says.
Pinsky also took an active role in bringing medical cannabis laws to New York, and spent 2014 heavily involved in ultimately successful lobbying efforts.
At this point in Pinsky’s journey, cannabis cuisine became a new aspect to his career.
“In 2016, I was hosting some underground dinner parties in NYC — these infused, invite-only dinners,” he says. “The Vice guys came and one of their producers was trying to do a story on the industry in NY. And I was like, ‘Let me help you out.’”
Pinsky ended up becoming the cannabis producer for Viceland’s “Bong Appétit,” where he sees it as his role to push cannabis further into the mainstream. “We’re the only show on TV that actually uses real weed,” he says.
Pinsky pulled this same trick — carving out his own lane — at Eaze, where he created the position of cannabis advisor.
“Eaze called me up asking to help them [curate their menu] and my response was, ‘I’d love to help you… but really you guys need a chief cannabis evangelist who’s leading the vision, strategy and relationships,’” he says. “So I came in for my first meeting at three in the afternoon and I left at three in the morning. I basically came and never left.”
For now, it appears that Pinsky is content with his current career path. But if another evolution lies in his near future, his triangle’s logic will mostly likely remain the overarching philosophy: balance, strength and a large dose of versatility.